Saturday, November 06, 2004
Evidence mounts that the vote was hacked.
This is what Thom Hartmann says, published on Common Dreams.org today:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm
Published on Saturday, November 6, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked
by Thom Hartmann
When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.
"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.
And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.
The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.
Also See:
Florida Secretary of State Presidential Results by County 11/02/2004 (.pdf)
Florida Secretary of State County Registration by Party 2/9/2004 (.pdf)
While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking – the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.
In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.
In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.
The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.
Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable – this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch-screens versus optical scanners.)
More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line – the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines.
There is more to this article on the CommonDreams.org site:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm
Published on Saturday, November 6, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked
by Thom Hartmann
When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.
"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.
And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.
The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.
Also See:
Florida Secretary of State Presidential Results by County 11/02/2004 (.pdf)
Florida Secretary of State County Registration by Party 2/9/2004 (.pdf)
While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking – the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.
In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.
In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.
The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.
Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable – this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch-screens versus optical scanners.)
More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line – the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines.
There is more to this article on the CommonDreams.org site:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm
# posted by scorpiorising : 6:40 PM |
Definition of Morality
Since the definition of morality changes in the eye of the beholder, I move that we aggressively put forward our definition of morality:
War is immoral.
Poverty is immoral.
War is immoral.
Poverty is immoral.
# posted by scorpiorising : 8:00 AM |
A question of morality...
I cried long and hard yesterday, finally, after much manic activity on the computer over this loss. Then I called a friend who isn't computer savy. She was shocked to learn that many believe the election was stolen.
She provided me with a few, choice points of view as well. Namely, regarding the question of morality.
Earlier I posted that I believe we must learn to talk to Bush supporters, but by all means, we must not abandon our principles, in the mistaken attempt to garner more votes. We are the majority party, and we must continue to exude that confidence that comes with the sureness of knowing our principles reflect the most humane values possible.
Frankly, it wouldn't matter in that regard, wether we are the majority party. But this is not Germany in the 1930's for this reason: 54 million people who don't sanction the policies of this administration is no sneeze in the park.
So yes, let's talk to the Bush supporters. We might want to remind them of this point, that my friend so eloquently stated: Much has been bandied about regarding the question of morality as a prime focus in this election. Many who voted for Bush don't believe it is moral for gays to marry, or even to be gay for that matter. Yet is it moral to send over 1000 of our troops to death in Iraq? Is it moral to bomb a foreign country and kill innocents in the name of our political cause? Just what is the definition of morality? We must not, I repeat, we must not, abdicate this issue to the right, and allow their definition of morality to dominate the center stage of American politics as it has. Perhaps if we had behaved as such, Kerry's "landslide" would have been so large, there would have been no question of the results.
Or perhaps we would have lost anyway. Isn't it even more important to stay true to our principles, at a time when we cannot count on the federal government to insure fair, scandal free elections? What do we have to lose?
Can our democratic leaders afford to not take a stand on the issue of ending the war in Iraq? Would we lose ground in terms of voter support in the short run? Yes...would we gain ground in the long run? Yes again, in my view. We can't afford to abandon our principles on this issue, either. Pundits have said only 17% of the youth voted in this election, same percentage as did in the 2000 election. Kerry obviously did not convince the youth of America that he had their best interests at heart. Afterall, he had promised to expand the war in Iraq, claiming we as a nation can't afford to lose this war. In my view, we have already lost the war...on so many levels, including the question of a so-called moral war.
War is not moral. Never has been. Never will be.
She provided me with a few, choice points of view as well. Namely, regarding the question of morality.
Earlier I posted that I believe we must learn to talk to Bush supporters, but by all means, we must not abandon our principles, in the mistaken attempt to garner more votes. We are the majority party, and we must continue to exude that confidence that comes with the sureness of knowing our principles reflect the most humane values possible.
Frankly, it wouldn't matter in that regard, wether we are the majority party. But this is not Germany in the 1930's for this reason: 54 million people who don't sanction the policies of this administration is no sneeze in the park.
So yes, let's talk to the Bush supporters. We might want to remind them of this point, that my friend so eloquently stated: Much has been bandied about regarding the question of morality as a prime focus in this election. Many who voted for Bush don't believe it is moral for gays to marry, or even to be gay for that matter. Yet is it moral to send over 1000 of our troops to death in Iraq? Is it moral to bomb a foreign country and kill innocents in the name of our political cause? Just what is the definition of morality? We must not, I repeat, we must not, abdicate this issue to the right, and allow their definition of morality to dominate the center stage of American politics as it has. Perhaps if we had behaved as such, Kerry's "landslide" would have been so large, there would have been no question of the results.
Or perhaps we would have lost anyway. Isn't it even more important to stay true to our principles, at a time when we cannot count on the federal government to insure fair, scandal free elections? What do we have to lose?
Can our democratic leaders afford to not take a stand on the issue of ending the war in Iraq? Would we lose ground in terms of voter support in the short run? Yes...would we gain ground in the long run? Yes again, in my view. We can't afford to abandon our principles on this issue, either. Pundits have said only 17% of the youth voted in this election, same percentage as did in the 2000 election. Kerry obviously did not convince the youth of America that he had their best interests at heart. Afterall, he had promised to expand the war in Iraq, claiming we as a nation can't afford to lose this war. In my view, we have already lost the war...on so many levels, including the question of a so-called moral war.
War is not moral. Never has been. Never will be.
# posted by scorpiorising : 4:30 AM |
Document, document, document
Many are documenting this stolent election, and we must continue to do so. This article has several interesting links, if you link to the article itself. I've also provided links on the right of this blog, to blogs and web sites that are either analyzing the data, are covering the story itself:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
"The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy
by Thom Hartmann
The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all - it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?
Maybe Florida went for Kerry, maybe for Bush. Over time - and through the efforts of some very motivated investigative reporters - we may well find out (Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.org just filed what may be the largest Freedom of Information Act [FOIA} filing in history), and bloggers and investigative reporters are discovering an odd discrepancy in exit polls being largely accurate in paper-ballot states and oddly inaccurate in touch-screen electronic voting states. Even raw voter analyses are showing extreme oddities in touch-screen-run Florida, and eagle-eyed bloggers are finding that news organizations are retroactively altering their exit polls to coincide with what the machines ultimately said."
Daily kos, as most of you know, is documenting the ongoing analysis and debate of this election: www.dailykos.com.
It is so important to demand an audit of this election, which would involve, of course, an audit of the machines...Beverly Harris of Black Box Voting, of which I've linked to on the right, is pushing for the largest freedom of information act in history:
"CONSUMER PROTECTION FOR ELECTIONS
THURSDAY Nov. 4 2004: If you are concerned about what happened Tuesday, Nov. 2, you have found a home with our organization. Help America Audit.
Black Box Voting has taken the position that fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines. We base this on hard evidence, documents obtained in public records requests, inside information, and other data indicative of manipulation of electronic voting systems. What we do not know is the specific scope of the fraud. We are working now to compile the proof, based not on soft evidence -- red flags, exit polls -- but core documents obtained by Black Box Voting in the most massive Freedom of Information action in history.
We need: Lawyers to enforce public records laws. Some counties have already notified us that they plan to stonewall by delaying delivery of the records. We need citizen volunteers for a number of specific actions. We need computer security professionals willing to GO PUBLIC with formal opinions on the evidence we provide, whether or not it involves DMCA complications. We need funds to pay for copies of the evidence.
TUESDAY Nov 2 2004: BREAKING NEWS: New information indicates that hackers may have targeted the central computers that are counting our votes."
She's asking for 50,000 to finance this effort; that's not much. I'm going to give some bucks to the cause.
As I discover links, I will post them. Stay tuned.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
"The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy
by Thom Hartmann
The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all - it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?
Maybe Florida went for Kerry, maybe for Bush. Over time - and through the efforts of some very motivated investigative reporters - we may well find out (Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.org just filed what may be the largest Freedom of Information Act [FOIA} filing in history), and bloggers and investigative reporters are discovering an odd discrepancy in exit polls being largely accurate in paper-ballot states and oddly inaccurate in touch-screen electronic voting states. Even raw voter analyses are showing extreme oddities in touch-screen-run Florida, and eagle-eyed bloggers are finding that news organizations are retroactively altering their exit polls to coincide with what the machines ultimately said."
Daily kos, as most of you know, is documenting the ongoing analysis and debate of this election: www.dailykos.com.
It is so important to demand an audit of this election, which would involve, of course, an audit of the machines...Beverly Harris of Black Box Voting, of which I've linked to on the right, is pushing for the largest freedom of information act in history:
"CONSUMER PROTECTION FOR ELECTIONS
THURSDAY Nov. 4 2004: If you are concerned about what happened Tuesday, Nov. 2, you have found a home with our organization. Help America Audit.
Black Box Voting has taken the position that fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines. We base this on hard evidence, documents obtained in public records requests, inside information, and other data indicative of manipulation of electronic voting systems. What we do not know is the specific scope of the fraud. We are working now to compile the proof, based not on soft evidence -- red flags, exit polls -- but core documents obtained by Black Box Voting in the most massive Freedom of Information action in history.
We need: Lawyers to enforce public records laws. Some counties have already notified us that they plan to stonewall by delaying delivery of the records. We need citizen volunteers for a number of specific actions. We need computer security professionals willing to GO PUBLIC with formal opinions on the evidence we provide, whether or not it involves DMCA complications. We need funds to pay for copies of the evidence.
TUESDAY Nov 2 2004: BREAKING NEWS: New information indicates that hackers may have targeted the central computers that are counting our votes."
She's asking for 50,000 to finance this effort; that's not much. I'm going to give some bucks to the cause.
As I discover links, I will post them. Stay tuned.
# posted by scorpiorising : 4:06 AM |
Friday, November 05, 2004
"Put it to bed"??
Lizz Winstead on Air America said someone was going to be on the show who would put to bed some of the allegations of voter fraud. I think we are going to soon learn who our true leaders are in this country:
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000712.html
Vote Fraud in Ohio?November 5, 2004 12:25 AM
Now that the data is beginning to trickle in from the November 2nd election, many across the nation are raising an eyebrow to results that do not seem to mesh with reality.In one voting precinct in Gahanna, Ohio, 4,258 voters supposedly cast an electronic ballot for George Bush while only 260 voted for John Kerry. While it is vaguely possible that over 94% of voters in the precinct supported George W. Bush, it is a hard number to believe considering that only 638 voters were counted at the polling center.To view the vote count for yourself, click on this link and scroll to page 23 (Adobe Acrobat Reader required). Another curious number that should be investigated is how the Gahanna District ended up with a voter turnout above 100% according to data compiled by the members of DemocraticUnderground.com and confirmed by the Washington Dispatch. Within this recent election, 20,736 voters cast ballots in all of Gahanna's districts while the City of Gahanna only shows that it has roughly 20,130 citizens of voting age. Even with 90% voter registration, 20,736 ballots cast within the City of Gahanna would be an amazing feat worthy of biblical notoriety. Others may call it fraud.Developing.
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000712.html
Vote Fraud in Ohio?November 5, 2004 12:25 AM
Now that the data is beginning to trickle in from the November 2nd election, many across the nation are raising an eyebrow to results that do not seem to mesh with reality.In one voting precinct in Gahanna, Ohio, 4,258 voters supposedly cast an electronic ballot for George Bush while only 260 voted for John Kerry. While it is vaguely possible that over 94% of voters in the precinct supported George W. Bush, it is a hard number to believe considering that only 638 voters were counted at the polling center.To view the vote count for yourself, click on this link and scroll to page 23 (Adobe Acrobat Reader required). Another curious number that should be investigated is how the Gahanna District ended up with a voter turnout above 100% according to data compiled by the members of DemocraticUnderground.com and confirmed by the Washington Dispatch. Within this recent election, 20,736 voters cast ballots in all of Gahanna's districts while the City of Gahanna only shows that it has roughly 20,130 citizens of voting age. Even with 90% voter registration, 20,736 ballots cast within the City of Gahanna would be an amazing feat worthy of biblical notoriety. Others may call it fraud.Developing.
# posted by scorpiorising : 6:17 AM |
A nation under seige.
Earlier I posted that 51 percent of the voting public has abandoned humane values. This was a statement loaded with fallacies, assumptions and insults to those who voted for Bush. I had a conversation yesterday in the coffeeshop, with a Bush supporter. Yes, a real conversation. He is as concerned as I am, about so many issues. He wound up agreeing with most of what I said, and even backed down from defensiveness when I pointed out there are hungry people in this city, in New Orleans, and all over this country. Yes, people with not enough to eat, in this, the greatest democracy in the world, blah, blah, blah.
It is possible to talk to these people, like the pastry delivery man, who, after I admitted my feelings, admitted he really didn't like the man much. He professed a lack of confidence in his own ability to decipher political issues, and this is just the type of person that is drawn to the Daddy Knows Best politics of G.W.Bush.
I have confidence that we can, and must, learn to speak to these people. At the same time, I do not underestimate the viciousness of their leaders. I think it very important right now to distinguish between the leaders and their followers.
We must grab every opportunity we can to communicate with the Bush supporters in our community...and really learn to listen, while simultaneously clearly expressing our own principles.
We will accomplish two goals with this communication: we will no longer so readily demonize the followers of G.W., and they in turn, will be less likely to demonize the left. There is much more we agree on than disagree, and we just don't know this yet.
That said, we, the left, have our own problems and agenda to focus on. I'm narrowing down to two issues right now: that this election was stolen, like the 2004 election, and that until we can guaruntee fair elections, we are a nation under seige, and no longer a democracy.
Remember, Bush supporters, and many liberals, are in denial of the true intent and viciousness of the right. They are after our entitlements and the dismantling of the middle class. A class struggling to make ends meet is a class unempowered and unable to educate itself, or so they believe.
Is that their conscious intent? I don't know yet...but does it matter, when that will no doubt be the end result of their policies?
A further thought: I don't know that we have four years to correct this...four years is a long time in which much damage can be done...the question is...what now?
It is possible to talk to these people, like the pastry delivery man, who, after I admitted my feelings, admitted he really didn't like the man much. He professed a lack of confidence in his own ability to decipher political issues, and this is just the type of person that is drawn to the Daddy Knows Best politics of G.W.Bush.
I have confidence that we can, and must, learn to speak to these people. At the same time, I do not underestimate the viciousness of their leaders. I think it very important right now to distinguish between the leaders and their followers.
We must grab every opportunity we can to communicate with the Bush supporters in our community...and really learn to listen, while simultaneously clearly expressing our own principles.
We will accomplish two goals with this communication: we will no longer so readily demonize the followers of G.W., and they in turn, will be less likely to demonize the left. There is much more we agree on than disagree, and we just don't know this yet.
That said, we, the left, have our own problems and agenda to focus on. I'm narrowing down to two issues right now: that this election was stolen, like the 2004 election, and that until we can guaruntee fair elections, we are a nation under seige, and no longer a democracy.
Remember, Bush supporters, and many liberals, are in denial of the true intent and viciousness of the right. They are after our entitlements and the dismantling of the middle class. A class struggling to make ends meet is a class unempowered and unable to educate itself, or so they believe.
Is that their conscious intent? I don't know yet...but does it matter, when that will no doubt be the end result of their policies?
A further thought: I don't know that we have four years to correct this...four years is a long time in which much damage can be done...the question is...what now?
# posted by scorpiorising : 4:37 AM |
Thursday, November 04, 2004
Mission Control, we have a problem
From Unenviable Situation:
Liberals are a condescending lot.I wonder how many of those who voted for Bush would say that their obligations, to family and friends and community, were more important to them than personal freedom. That's certainly the case in my neighborhood. What calculations could Brad DeLong do with that?Brian Leiter once linked approvingly if half in jest to an article or a blog entry by some professor or other that claimed to analyze the IQ's of the populations of various Red states. Conclusion: the peasants are stupid. I was I think the only one I know of to point out that the post and the link to it were obscene.I wonder how many of you spend time in college towns. Do you know how humiliating life can be for the locals in such places?...I'm sick to death of technocrats and libertarians, of liberal yuppies who destroy what's left of old neighborhoods and then wonder why their neighbors, the little old ladies, vote for Bush. But liberals are the public face of hard-core economic conservatism: of the logic of the market. DeLong and Krugman would be happy to have a population of corporate drones with really good health insurance.The peasants don't expect life to be easy. They don't want much. But they don't like being condescended to by people who want to help them out of pity....For the record I'm an atheist. But given a choice between spending time with someone who's thinks the meaning of life comes from understanding a calculation and someone who thinks it comes from the study of a book, I'll gladly choose the latter. And 'Riverbend' has a wider range of reference, a better prose style in her second language and is, frankly, more intelligent than Ophelia Benson.And I'm sorry if the above quote is dirty pool. The problem with my country is very simple: college professors don't know how to sit at the same table with truckers and taxi drivers; and that's not the taxi drivers' fault. Whites are not allowed any more to speak for blacks; men can no longer comfortably be assumed to speak for women, or straights for gays; but the educated may speak freely to each other about the rest of the country without acknowledging that there might be a problem.Well there is one.
Liberals are a condescending lot.I wonder how many of those who voted for Bush would say that their obligations, to family and friends and community, were more important to them than personal freedom. That's certainly the case in my neighborhood. What calculations could Brad DeLong do with that?Brian Leiter once linked approvingly if half in jest to an article or a blog entry by some professor or other that claimed to analyze the IQ's of the populations of various Red states. Conclusion: the peasants are stupid. I was I think the only one I know of to point out that the post and the link to it were obscene.I wonder how many of you spend time in college towns. Do you know how humiliating life can be for the locals in such places?...I'm sick to death of technocrats and libertarians, of liberal yuppies who destroy what's left of old neighborhoods and then wonder why their neighbors, the little old ladies, vote for Bush. But liberals are the public face of hard-core economic conservatism: of the logic of the market. DeLong and Krugman would be happy to have a population of corporate drones with really good health insurance.The peasants don't expect life to be easy. They don't want much. But they don't like being condescended to by people who want to help them out of pity....For the record I'm an atheist. But given a choice between spending time with someone who's thinks the meaning of life comes from understanding a calculation and someone who thinks it comes from the study of a book, I'll gladly choose the latter. And 'Riverbend' has a wider range of reference, a better prose style in her second language and is, frankly, more intelligent than Ophelia Benson.And I'm sorry if the above quote is dirty pool. The problem with my country is very simple: college professors don't know how to sit at the same table with truckers and taxi drivers; and that's not the taxi drivers' fault. Whites are not allowed any more to speak for blacks; men can no longer comfortably be assumed to speak for women, or straights for gays; but the educated may speak freely to each other about the rest of the country without acknowledging that there might be a problem.Well there is one.
# posted by scorpiorising : 11:06 AM |
51% of the voting population has abandoned humane values.
Letter to dailykos:
On the values issue: Remember, this election may have been rigged. Also, 51% of the vote is not that convincing of a mandate. And what of the millions of Americans who don't believe enough in the system to vote? We need to figure out how to reach them. Let us continue to address our supporters and encourage their voices, rather than focusing on the message of the right wing. It is not that we abadoned the south. The south has abandoned humane values...for now. The vote was closer than expected in Alabama though. Things aren't as bleak as they seem. If they succeed in convincing everyone they have a mandate, then liberals won't put up a fight. As things get worse...economically speaking...as I suspect they will...watch southern, midwestern voters reconsider us. IN the meantime, we need to find our voices still on the issues we care about most...and turn to creative...unusual ways to get the message out.
scorpiorising
On the values issue: Remember, this election may have been rigged. Also, 51% of the vote is not that convincing of a mandate. And what of the millions of Americans who don't believe enough in the system to vote? We need to figure out how to reach them. Let us continue to address our supporters and encourage their voices, rather than focusing on the message of the right wing. It is not that we abadoned the south. The south has abandoned humane values...for now. The vote was closer than expected in Alabama though. Things aren't as bleak as they seem. If they succeed in convincing everyone they have a mandate, then liberals won't put up a fight. As things get worse...economically speaking...as I suspect they will...watch southern, midwestern voters reconsider us. IN the meantime, we need to find our voices still on the issues we care about most...and turn to creative...unusual ways to get the message out.
scorpiorising
# posted by scorpiorising : 9:08 AM |
Weighing in from the left, center and right:
From Making Light:
Bad morning
225 years is a pretty good run for a republic, historically speaking.
I keep thinking about an interview I saw last week with a young woman who was working for Nader, and how self-importantly she said, “We’re voting the movement, not the candidate.” The stupid chit had somehow failed to notice that what we elect are candidates.
By the way, I don’t accept these results. I never will. And if you have any sense, you won’t either. I don’t care what your politics are. That’s not the issue. People who mess with the vote are not your friends. If they don’t believe in government by the consent of the governed, they sure as hell don’t believe in government by the consent of you.
From Zogby:
Statement from John Zogby on 2004 Presidential Election Results:
“We feel strongly that our pre-election polls were accurate on virtually every state. Our predictions on many of the key battleground states like Ohio and Florida were within the margin of error. I thought we captured a trend, but apparently that result didn’t materialize.
“We always saw a close race, and a close race is what we’ve got. I’ve called this the Armageddon Election for some time—a closely-divided electorate with high partisan intensity on each side."
(more from Zogby coming soon…)
From Sisyphus Shrugged:
well, hm.
for what it's worth, feeling rotten is a completely healthy, appropriate reaction to the situation we're faced with.Feeling rotten is not the same as being depressed. Being depressed happens when you can't face feeling rotten and you decide not to feel anything at all.Feeling rotten is better. Among other things, when you're done feeling rotten you get to stop feeling rotten. Get depressed and you're likely to turn it into a life philosophy.So my advice is, feel rotten. You're entitled. This sucks.Just try not to operate any spiritual heavy machinery until you feel a little better.If what we care about is the world and each other, we still have work to do.
From Andrew Sullivan:
A MANDATE FOR CULTURE WAR: That's Bill Bennett's conclusion. He won't be the only one. What we're seeing, I think, is a huge fundamentalist Christian revival in this country, a religious movement that is now explicitly political as well. It is unsurprising, of course, given the uncertainty of today's world, the devastating attacks on our country, and the emergence of so many more liberal cultures in urban America. And it is completely legitimate in this country for such views to be represented in public policy, however much I disagree with them. But the intensity of the passion, and the inherently totalist nature of religiously motivated politics means deep social conflict if we are not careful. Our safety valve must be federalism. We have to live and let live. As blue states become more secular, and red states become less so, the only alternative to a national religious war is to allow different states to pursue different options. That goes for things like decriminalization of marijuana, abortion rights, stem cell research and marriage rights. Forcing California and Mississippi into one model is a recipe for disaster. Federalism is now more important than ever. I just hope that Republican federalists understand this. I fear they don't.- 2:07:45 PM
From Adam Yoshida:
QUOTE OF THE DAY: "So, George W. Bush won. And he's done so by a solid margin. The Democrats' attempted coup managed to last all of eight hours. Not only is the President the first candidate to win a majority of the vote in a Presidential Election since 1988, but he also won more popular votes than any other candidate in history. The Democrats spent months telling us that high voter turnout would equal a win for them but, as it turns out, when 60% of the electorate showed up at the polls it translated into a Bush lead of nearly four million votes. In short: take that, you sons of bitches.The Democrats are now talking about how this is a signal that Bush should 'bring the country together'. Translated into American, this means 'now that you've won, you should surrender to us.' The hell with that. We've won. Winning means not having to say you're sorry... Those who didn't support Bush can go and perform a certain anatomically impossible act. They lost, now they can sit in the back of the bus. Thank God Almighty." - Adam Yoshida, calling it as he sees it, on his popular blog.
From Bill Bennett:
Having restored decency to the White House, President Bush now has a mandate to affect policy that will promote a more decent society, through both politics and law. His supporters want that, and have given him a mandate in their popular and electoral votes to see to it. Now is the time to begin our long, national cultural renewal ("The Great Relearning," as novelist Tom Wolfe calls it) — no less in legislation than in federal court appointments. It is, after all, the main reason George W. Bush was reelected.
— William J. Bennett is the host of the nationally syndicated radio show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, and the Washington Fellow at the Claremont Institute.
Are we going to take the above shit from Yoshida and Bennett lying down? Hell no.
Bad morning
225 years is a pretty good run for a republic, historically speaking.
I keep thinking about an interview I saw last week with a young woman who was working for Nader, and how self-importantly she said, “We’re voting the movement, not the candidate.” The stupid chit had somehow failed to notice that what we elect are candidates.
By the way, I don’t accept these results. I never will. And if you have any sense, you won’t either. I don’t care what your politics are. That’s not the issue. People who mess with the vote are not your friends. If they don’t believe in government by the consent of the governed, they sure as hell don’t believe in government by the consent of you.
From Zogby:
Statement from John Zogby on 2004 Presidential Election Results:
“We feel strongly that our pre-election polls were accurate on virtually every state. Our predictions on many of the key battleground states like Ohio and Florida were within the margin of error. I thought we captured a trend, but apparently that result didn’t materialize.
“We always saw a close race, and a close race is what we’ve got. I’ve called this the Armageddon Election for some time—a closely-divided electorate with high partisan intensity on each side."
(more from Zogby coming soon…)
From Sisyphus Shrugged:
well, hm.
for what it's worth, feeling rotten is a completely healthy, appropriate reaction to the situation we're faced with.Feeling rotten is not the same as being depressed. Being depressed happens when you can't face feeling rotten and you decide not to feel anything at all.Feeling rotten is better. Among other things, when you're done feeling rotten you get to stop feeling rotten. Get depressed and you're likely to turn it into a life philosophy.So my advice is, feel rotten. You're entitled. This sucks.Just try not to operate any spiritual heavy machinery until you feel a little better.If what we care about is the world and each other, we still have work to do.
From Andrew Sullivan:
A MANDATE FOR CULTURE WAR: That's Bill Bennett's conclusion. He won't be the only one. What we're seeing, I think, is a huge fundamentalist Christian revival in this country, a religious movement that is now explicitly political as well. It is unsurprising, of course, given the uncertainty of today's world, the devastating attacks on our country, and the emergence of so many more liberal cultures in urban America. And it is completely legitimate in this country for such views to be represented in public policy, however much I disagree with them. But the intensity of the passion, and the inherently totalist nature of religiously motivated politics means deep social conflict if we are not careful. Our safety valve must be federalism. We have to live and let live. As blue states become more secular, and red states become less so, the only alternative to a national religious war is to allow different states to pursue different options. That goes for things like decriminalization of marijuana, abortion rights, stem cell research and marriage rights. Forcing California and Mississippi into one model is a recipe for disaster. Federalism is now more important than ever. I just hope that Republican federalists understand this. I fear they don't.- 2:07:45 PM
From Adam Yoshida:
QUOTE OF THE DAY: "So, George W. Bush won. And he's done so by a solid margin. The Democrats' attempted coup managed to last all of eight hours. Not only is the President the first candidate to win a majority of the vote in a Presidential Election since 1988, but he also won more popular votes than any other candidate in history. The Democrats spent months telling us that high voter turnout would equal a win for them but, as it turns out, when 60% of the electorate showed up at the polls it translated into a Bush lead of nearly four million votes. In short: take that, you sons of bitches.The Democrats are now talking about how this is a signal that Bush should 'bring the country together'. Translated into American, this means 'now that you've won, you should surrender to us.' The hell with that. We've won. Winning means not having to say you're sorry... Those who didn't support Bush can go and perform a certain anatomically impossible act. They lost, now they can sit in the back of the bus. Thank God Almighty." - Adam Yoshida, calling it as he sees it, on his popular blog.
From Bill Bennett:
Having restored decency to the White House, President Bush now has a mandate to affect policy that will promote a more decent society, through both politics and law. His supporters want that, and have given him a mandate in their popular and electoral votes to see to it. Now is the time to begin our long, national cultural renewal ("The Great Relearning," as novelist Tom Wolfe calls it) — no less in legislation than in federal court appointments. It is, after all, the main reason George W. Bush was reelected.
— William J. Bennett is the host of the nationally syndicated radio show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, and the Washington Fellow at the Claremont Institute.
Are we going to take the above shit from Yoshida and Bennett lying down? Hell no.
# posted by scorpiorising : 7:48 AM |
Wednesday, November 03, 2004
Once there was a way...
I'm buying Abbey Road as my comfort album:
Golden Slumbers
Once there was a way to get back homeward.
Once there was a way to get back home.
Sleep pretty darling do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby.
Golden Slumbers fill your eyes,
Smiles awake you when you rise.
Sleep pretty darling do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carry That Weight
Boy – you’re gonna carry that weight,
Carry that weight a long time.
I never give you my pillow,
I only send you invitations,
And in the middle of the celebrations I break down.
The End
Oh yeah alright, are you gonna be in my dreams tonight?
And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.
Ah –
I'm delerious. One hour of sleep. Today was one of the most difficult days of my life. Surreal and unreal. Looking at things from a perspective I've never viewed before. It was the end of my innocence regarding this "democracy" we live in. I'll be revising my views accordingly. In the meantime, I'll let someone else do the talking for me:
A brilliant article by Arundhati Roy. Read it.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1103-20.htm
This is an edited extract from the 2004 Sydney Peace Prize lecture delivered by Arundhati Roy at the Seymour Center last night.
Sometimes there's truth in old cliches. There can be no real peace without justice. And without resistance there will be no justice. Today, it is not merely justice itself, but the idea of justice that is under attack.
The assault on vulnerable, fragile sections of society is so complete, so cruel and so clever that its sheer audacity has eroded our definition of justice. It has forced us to lower our sights, and curtail our expectations. Even among the well-intentioned, the magnificent concept of justice is gradually being substituted with the reduced, far more fragile discourse of "human rights".
This is an alarming shift. The difference is that notions of equality, of parity, have been pried loose and eased out of the equation. It's a process of attrition. Almost unconsciously, we begin to think of justice for the rich and human rights for the poor. Justice for the corporate world, human rights for its victims. Justice for Americans, human rights for Afghans and Iraqis. Justice for the Indian upper castes, human rights for Dalits and Adivasis (if that.) Justice for white Australians, human rights for Aborigines and immigrants (most times, not even that.)
It is becoming more than clear that violating human rights is an inherent and necessary part of the process of implementing a coercive and unjust political and economic structure on the world. Increasingly, human rights violations are being portrayed as the unfortunate, almost accidental, fallout of an otherwise acceptable political and economic system. As though they are a small problem that can be mopped up with a little extra attention from some non-government organisation.
This is why in areas of heightened conflict - in Kashmir and in Iraq for example - human rights professionals are regarded with a degree of suspicion. Many resistance movements in poor countries which are fighting huge injustice and questioning the underlying principles of what constitutes "liberation" and "development" view human rights non-government organisations as modern-day missionaries who have come to take the ugly edge off imperialism - to defuse political anger and to maintain the status quo."
Golden Slumbers
Once there was a way to get back homeward.
Once there was a way to get back home.
Sleep pretty darling do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby.
Golden Slumbers fill your eyes,
Smiles awake you when you rise.
Sleep pretty darling do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carry That Weight
Boy – you’re gonna carry that weight,
Carry that weight a long time.
I never give you my pillow,
I only send you invitations,
And in the middle of the celebrations I break down.
The End
Oh yeah alright, are you gonna be in my dreams tonight?
And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.
Ah –
I'm delerious. One hour of sleep. Today was one of the most difficult days of my life. Surreal and unreal. Looking at things from a perspective I've never viewed before. It was the end of my innocence regarding this "democracy" we live in. I'll be revising my views accordingly. In the meantime, I'll let someone else do the talking for me:
A brilliant article by Arundhati Roy. Read it.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1103-20.htm
This is an edited extract from the 2004 Sydney Peace Prize lecture delivered by Arundhati Roy at the Seymour Center last night.
Sometimes there's truth in old cliches. There can be no real peace without justice. And without resistance there will be no justice. Today, it is not merely justice itself, but the idea of justice that is under attack.
The assault on vulnerable, fragile sections of society is so complete, so cruel and so clever that its sheer audacity has eroded our definition of justice. It has forced us to lower our sights, and curtail our expectations. Even among the well-intentioned, the magnificent concept of justice is gradually being substituted with the reduced, far more fragile discourse of "human rights".
This is an alarming shift. The difference is that notions of equality, of parity, have been pried loose and eased out of the equation. It's a process of attrition. Almost unconsciously, we begin to think of justice for the rich and human rights for the poor. Justice for the corporate world, human rights for its victims. Justice for Americans, human rights for Afghans and Iraqis. Justice for the Indian upper castes, human rights for Dalits and Adivasis (if that.) Justice for white Australians, human rights for Aborigines and immigrants (most times, not even that.)
It is becoming more than clear that violating human rights is an inherent and necessary part of the process of implementing a coercive and unjust political and economic structure on the world. Increasingly, human rights violations are being portrayed as the unfortunate, almost accidental, fallout of an otherwise acceptable political and economic system. As though they are a small problem that can be mopped up with a little extra attention from some non-government organisation.
This is why in areas of heightened conflict - in Kashmir and in Iraq for example - human rights professionals are regarded with a degree of suspicion. Many resistance movements in poor countries which are fighting huge injustice and questioning the underlying principles of what constitutes "liberation" and "development" view human rights non-government organisations as modern-day missionaries who have come to take the ugly edge off imperialism - to defuse political anger and to maintain the status quo."
# posted by scorpiorising : 6:28 PM |
Fraud.
From www.democraticunderground.com:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1290765&mesg_id=1290765
SoCalDemocrat (xxx posts) Tue Nov-02-04 11:54 PM
Original message
Kerry winning Exit Polls - FRAUD LOOKS PROBABLEEdited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:42 AM by SoCalDemocrat
EDIT:
Analysis of the polling data vs actual data and voting systems supports the hypothesis that evoting may be to blame in the discrepancies. Nevada has evoting but with verified receipts. In that state the Exit Polling matches the actual results within .1% accuracy. However for other swing states Bush has unexplainable leads.
I'm still compiling data. Please help me determine what voting methods are being used in swing states and which are evoting without audit trails. Post your data under the individual state responses below.
-------------------------------------------
Kerry is well ahead in exit polls, but still losing the counts. WTH is going on?
Kerry is well ahead in Exit Polling in Ohio. We're being screwed.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/O...
Male: 51/49 Kerry 47%
Female: 53/47 Kerry 53%
Dem: 91/8 Kerry 38%
Rep: 94/6 Bush 37%
Ind: 60/39 Kerry 24%
Here is exit polling for Florida (3,824,794 votes for Kerry & Bush)
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/F...
Male: 52/47 Kerry 46%
Female: 52/48 Kerry 54%
Dem: 86/13 Kerry 38%
Rep: 92/7 Bush 39%
Ind: 60/38 Kerry 23%
3,824,794 votes for Kerry & Bush
2065388 Women (54% of total)
1759405 Men (46% of total)
Bush leads male vote by 5% of M = 87970
Kerry leads female vote by 4% of M = 82615
That means Bush is ahead by just 5355 votes in exit polling in FL.
Another odd thing is that there are more Reps then Dems in Florida by 1%, which is not expected. Either there are more voting Republicans in FL than Democrats, a first and not matching known statistics, or more Republicans were exit polled than Democrats. If the exit poll is off by just 1% that's a difference of 382479 more voters who are Democracts.
The results being posted however show Bush ahead 326,000 actual votes. This is simply not possible from the exit polling numbers. Even skewed for a 5% higher Republican vs. Democrat turnout from 2000, it doesn't add up.
WISCONSIN:
Kerry leads Female voters by 7%, Bush leads male voters by 7%. Male vs. Female voter turnout is 47% M, 53% F. That means Kerry statistically has a 7% edge in exit polling in Wisconsin.
Actual results however show Bush ahead by 1%, an unexplained difference of 8%.
NEVADA:
Just checked, same pattern. Kerry leads in the exit polls by a clear margin, but is still behind in the reported results. This state is even closer. Actual is just 1% favor of Bush. Exit polls show Kerry with a wider margin. Women favored Kerry by 8% here out of 52% of total voters. Men favored Bush by just 6% out of 48% of total voters. Actual reported results don't match exit polling AT ALL in Nevada.
*** KERRY leads by 1.3% in exit polls in NV ***
Can someone determine what percentage of precincts are DIEBOLD or electronic voting machines in these swing states? Of those compare the expected voting results from Male vs. Female against the results reported by electronic vs. non-electronic voting places.
My HYPOTHESIS is we will find a discrepancy in the electronic systems vs. the exit polls and the non-electronic systems.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1290765&mesg_id=1290765
SoCalDemocrat (xxx posts) Tue Nov-02-04 11:54 PM
Original message
Kerry winning Exit Polls - FRAUD LOOKS PROBABLEEdited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:42 AM by SoCalDemocrat
EDIT:
Analysis of the polling data vs actual data and voting systems supports the hypothesis that evoting may be to blame in the discrepancies. Nevada has evoting but with verified receipts. In that state the Exit Polling matches the actual results within .1% accuracy. However for other swing states Bush has unexplainable leads.
I'm still compiling data. Please help me determine what voting methods are being used in swing states and which are evoting without audit trails. Post your data under the individual state responses below.
-------------------------------------------
Kerry is well ahead in exit polls, but still losing the counts. WTH is going on?
Kerry is well ahead in Exit Polling in Ohio. We're being screwed.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/O...
Male: 51/49 Kerry 47%
Female: 53/47 Kerry 53%
Dem: 91/8 Kerry 38%
Rep: 94/6 Bush 37%
Ind: 60/39 Kerry 24%
Here is exit polling for Florida (3,824,794 votes for Kerry & Bush)
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/F...
Male: 52/47 Kerry 46%
Female: 52/48 Kerry 54%
Dem: 86/13 Kerry 38%
Rep: 92/7 Bush 39%
Ind: 60/38 Kerry 23%
3,824,794 votes for Kerry & Bush
2065388 Women (54% of total)
1759405 Men (46% of total)
Bush leads male vote by 5% of M = 87970
Kerry leads female vote by 4% of M = 82615
That means Bush is ahead by just 5355 votes in exit polling in FL.
Another odd thing is that there are more Reps then Dems in Florida by 1%, which is not expected. Either there are more voting Republicans in FL than Democrats, a first and not matching known statistics, or more Republicans were exit polled than Democrats. If the exit poll is off by just 1% that's a difference of 382479 more voters who are Democracts.
The results being posted however show Bush ahead 326,000 actual votes. This is simply not possible from the exit polling numbers. Even skewed for a 5% higher Republican vs. Democrat turnout from 2000, it doesn't add up.
WISCONSIN:
Kerry leads Female voters by 7%, Bush leads male voters by 7%. Male vs. Female voter turnout is 47% M, 53% F. That means Kerry statistically has a 7% edge in exit polling in Wisconsin.
Actual results however show Bush ahead by 1%, an unexplained difference of 8%.
NEVADA:
Just checked, same pattern. Kerry leads in the exit polls by a clear margin, but is still behind in the reported results. This state is even closer. Actual is just 1% favor of Bush. Exit polls show Kerry with a wider margin. Women favored Kerry by 8% here out of 52% of total voters. Men favored Bush by just 6% out of 48% of total voters. Actual reported results don't match exit polling AT ALL in Nevada.
*** KERRY leads by 1.3% in exit polls in NV ***
Can someone determine what percentage of precincts are DIEBOLD or electronic voting machines in these swing states? Of those compare the expected voting results from Male vs. Female against the results reported by electronic vs. non-electronic voting places.
My HYPOTHESIS is we will find a discrepancy in the electronic systems vs. the exit polls and the non-electronic systems.
# posted by scorpiorising : 2:02 AM |
Goodby Democracy.
This election is the epitaph of American democracy. With massive turnout by democrats, Bush will win the popular vote by fraud and deception. It has been won for him, and not by people casting votes. Florida politicians, including Jeb Bush, said today not to follow the exit polling for Florida. Why did he, and others, say this? They knew something then we didn't know, but know now. It was rigged, my friends. I'm suspecting it was rigged in other states as well.
Voting was made difficult for voters in Florida, Ohio and elsewhere, with lines snaking for hours. Why was this allowed to happen by our democratic politicians who were supposed to look out for our interests?
American democracy suffered yet another death, to relive the one in the year 2000. By the way, was Zogby wrong yet again? Was exit polling wrong yet again?
America, wake up. It is time to take your country back.
Voting was made difficult for voters in Florida, Ohio and elsewhere, with lines snaking for hours. Why was this allowed to happen by our democratic politicians who were supposed to look out for our interests?
American democracy suffered yet another death, to relive the one in the year 2000. By the way, was Zogby wrong yet again? Was exit polling wrong yet again?
America, wake up. It is time to take your country back.
# posted by scorpiorising : 12:50 AM |
Tuesday, November 02, 2004
America is not a democracy
It is being reported on www.democraticunderground.com that CNN is calling Florida for Bush, and provisional and absentee ballots have yet to be counted. It is being reported CNN is calling Arizona for Bush, and people are still in line waiting to vote. America is not a democracy. This election is being called by the corporate media, controlled by the corrupt neocons and wealthy elites who support them, and supported by the brainwashed public with issues such as opposition to gay marriage and abortion rights. We have not taken back our country. Perhaps we never had her to begin with.
# posted by scorpiorising : 9:23 PM |
America is not a democracy.
Not when things like this go on. Read the Daily Howler on fire:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/
AMAZING: This morning, Paul Krugman writes of his “faith in America.” At the outset, he calls attention to a situation that is simply astounding, although few major pundits have said so:
KRUGMAN (11/2/04): Over the weekend, people in some [Florida] polling places had to stand in line for four, five, even six hours, often in the sun. Some of them—African-Americans in particular—surely suspected that those lines were so long because officials wanted to make it hard for them to vote.
We don’t know why those lines are so long. But let us state what we’ve seen few Big Pundits state—it is, simply put, an astonishing scandal when people have to stand in line five hours to vote. Is Jeb Bush’s Florida a banana republic? It is astounding—astonishing; intolerable; inexcusable—that the situation Krugman describes exists in this affluent nation. Is there any other part of our culture where people are asked to do this?
http://www.dailyhowler.com/
AMAZING: This morning, Paul Krugman writes of his “faith in America.” At the outset, he calls attention to a situation that is simply astounding, although few major pundits have said so:
KRUGMAN (11/2/04): Over the weekend, people in some [Florida] polling places had to stand in line for four, five, even six hours, often in the sun. Some of them—African-Americans in particular—surely suspected that those lines were so long because officials wanted to make it hard for them to vote.
We don’t know why those lines are so long. But let us state what we’ve seen few Big Pundits state—it is, simply put, an astonishing scandal when people have to stand in line five hours to vote. Is Jeb Bush’s Florida a banana republic? It is astounding—astonishing; intolerable; inexcusable—that the situation Krugman describes exists in this affluent nation. Is there any other part of our culture where people are asked to do this?
# posted by scorpiorising : 9:08 PM |
Collage below by Peter Lewis
Peter Lewis.
# posted by scorpiorising : 9:49 AM |
No war, no, people
Put It On [Bob Marley]Feel them spiritFeel them spiritFeel them spiritLord, I thank youLord, I thank youFeel alright nowFeel alright nowFeel alright nowLord, I thank youLord, I thank youI'm gonna put it on, I put it on alreadyI'm gonna put it on, and it was steadyI'm gonna put it on, put it on againGood Lord, help meGood Lord, help meI'm not boastin'I'm not boastin'I'm not boastin'Feel like toastin'Feel like toastin'I rule my destiny, yeahI rule my destinyI rule my destinyLord, I thank you, yeahLord, I thank youNo more cryin'No more cryin'No more cryin'Good Lord, hear meGood Lord ...
# posted by scorpiorising : 9:39 AM |
Monday, November 01, 2004
What Juan Cole say...
But Mr.Cole, what will Kerry do in Iraq?
Kerry is not a revolutionary, unlike Bush. He recognizes that al-Qaeda is a real threat and needs to be the main focus of US security thinking. Kerry will capture or kill Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri because he will put the resources into that endeavor that Bush instead wasted in Iraq. Kerry is worried about Iran's nuclear ambitions, but is highly unlikely to resort to military force or connive at a coup in Tehran. He will use diplomatic methods and more subtle military pressure.Kerry will rebuild the alliance with Europe, which is crucial for fighting al-Qaeda. He will attempt to improve the US image in the Muslim world, which Bush has completely shattered. His approach to China will be measured.So the choices are clear. Those who want a revolutionary who will risk further wars and instability, should vote for Bush. Those who want someone who will use diplomacy to manage the status quo and roll back asymmetrical threats should vote for Kerry.
Kerry is not a revolutionary, unlike Bush. He recognizes that al-Qaeda is a real threat and needs to be the main focus of US security thinking. Kerry will capture or kill Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri because he will put the resources into that endeavor that Bush instead wasted in Iraq. Kerry is worried about Iran's nuclear ambitions, but is highly unlikely to resort to military force or connive at a coup in Tehran. He will use diplomatic methods and more subtle military pressure.Kerry will rebuild the alliance with Europe, which is crucial for fighting al-Qaeda. He will attempt to improve the US image in the Muslim world, which Bush has completely shattered. His approach to China will be measured.So the choices are clear. Those who want a revolutionary who will risk further wars and instability, should vote for Bush. Those who want someone who will use diplomacy to manage the status quo and roll back asymmetrical threats should vote for Kerry.
# posted by scorpiorising : 4:33 PM |
Bring the Troops Home
From the Washington Note, by Steve Clemens
October 28, 2004A SOLDIER'S STORY: "VOTING FOR BUSH WON'T HELP US"
I JUST SAT NEXT TO A VERY TOUGH SOLDIER FROM THE 82ND AIRBORNE on a flight back from Europe. I have been thinking for two days about how to share some of the things he told me without compromising him.
This guy I met is not one prone to talk; he was very serious, very mellow -- and comes from a family of enlisted military men. His dad was in Vietnam.
He has had one rotation in Afghanistan, one in Iraq. He is now in Germany but will soon be transferred back to Iraq. He was at Tora Bora and has seen a lot of Iraqi, Afghan, and American dead.
According to him, 75% of all soldiers want Bush defeated in the election and don't care who defeats him; anger and resentment are high. He says that 90% of the officers remain far out of harm's way. From lietenants all the way up, there is general understanding that the officers are hiding in holes, or holding back in well-defended buildings and quite cavalier about sending troops out for assignments and errands that are frequently stupid, poorly planned, and dangerous.
He has said that he has experienced good and bad commanders to whom he reported -- but that when it came to taking the anthrax vaccine (which a judge has just said that the military can no longer order its soldiers to take), he quietly refused. He told his commander that he just wouldn't take it -- and that many, many soldiers have avoided taking this anthrax vaccine without incident. He said that a friend of his took it and his nervous system was severely affected and is now permanently disabled. He said he would rather have "an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment) than be dead."
I asked him about Lariam, an anti-malarial drug which I have written about before. Lariam, also known as Mefloquine, can, according to drug warning labels cause aggression, psychosis and suicidal tendencies.
He told me that he had been issued seven tablets to take over a week -- and stopped after the second because of incredible negative physical reaction to the drug. He said that several people in his unit became deeply depressed, others very sick. And he said that most people in the military have had to become somewhat accustomed to the idea that the Pentagon looks at the soldiers as "guinea pigs" to test drugs on.
At Tora Bora, he reported on the massive bombing that went on there and said that during the clean up period, they used sensors to detect the remains of those killed and then would punch large poles down into the dirt with pricks that would suck blood up to test the DNA of the victim there on the spot. He said that it surprised the soldiers that they had DNA testing capabilities that were advanced enough to give readings immediately -- and said that they scoured everything that was bombed to try and find bin Laden.
At this time, I learned from one of the stewards on the flight that there was the coffin with a dead American soldier on the plane. The person to whom I was talking just reacted by saying, "everyone wants out -- everyone."
I asked him what he thought happened at Abu Ghraib and the handling of prisoners in general. He blamed both the people in the prison and their superiors. He says that everyone knows that the adrenaline rush and completely new experiences these young Americans are having lead to scary behaviors. He also stated that it is well known among the troops that al Qaeda takes (or keeps) no prisoners.
Early in the Afghanistan incursion, he said that he was on one of the last helicopters out of a very scary incident in which about ten U.S. soldiers were killed in a well-planned diversion and ambush by al Qaeda and the Taliban. He was at a fueling station between Kandahar and Shkin, very close to the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. A group began firing on U.S. soldiers at the fueling station, and some choppers and soldiers went after them. From behind, from the mountains on the Pakistani side, a massive number of al Qaeda and Taliban forces were streaming down behind the Americans -- and the soldier I was talking to could see this from the air in the chopper he was in.
Black Hawks were called in -- and the Taliban took out one or two -- but basically everyone just retreated. According to him at least ten soldiers surrendered to al Qaeda, and they were found later. One of the soldiers had had his penis castrated, and then this was stuffed in his mouth (sorry for the graphic detail, but it's important). The other soldiers were all shot in the head. Several others were "cut up," he said. To him, it was clear that they had been tortured.
He said that these experiences have been repeated in other encounters with al Qaeda -- and thus many of the soldiers who feel on the front lines of a war they don't understand and can't figure out -- have them so incredibly on edge that it's not surprising that they could come undone in a prisoner-holding situation. What he said though is that all of the officers know this to be the case and probably expected this kind of behavior from the soldiers and MPs.
He said that at night, when they are moving people or supplies, or making deliveries, they are scared -- and drive at 80 or 90 miles an hour with their lights off. He said lots of innocent people are killed by this night-driving and while the troops are supposed to report any damage or harm they do, almost none do -- no one wants to stop. This confirms an anecdote about the same kind of killer-driving that Seymour Hersh recently shared with me.
Interestingly, he said that all enlisted men or officers in command positions have orders not to talk about their war experiences with the junior and fresh troops. He refuses -- and tells those people under him everything he knows because he thinks it will help save their lives. When he went to Afghanistan at the beginning, basically nothing was told to them; he kept repeating "nothing." And he said that their basic training in North Carolina was 180 degrees opposite of what they really needed to know for this kind of combat.
He said morale is very low among the troops and that they all want out -- few believe in the war or Bush, and he thinks that many of these troops' negative feelings are being transmitted back to extended family networks that have traditionally been supporters of the Republican Party, like his own family.
He shared quite a bit more, including that his military commanders are planning for at minimum an eight year deployment in Iraq, maybe longer. He also shared an interesting anecdote that about a year ago, certain commanders in the 82nd Airborne had been told to prepare for a quick incursion into Cuba. I was stunned.
He said, "Yep, we couldn't believe that on top of everything else, Bush thought he could go take out Castro." The Navy Seals were going to go in and do the dirty work, he said, and the "82nd was going to go in for clean-up." He said that he never heard more about it but that the orders clearly didn't go forward -- but they were prepared for that possibility and told that "Bush just wanted to take out Castro."
Another thing he shared was that after this incident at Shkin, mentioned above, the Navy Seals were sent in to go find the al Qaeda and Taliban troops hiding in the Pakistan mountains. He said that they were all through those mountains in Pakistan and what he told me was probably classified. But they found nothing, packed their bags, and went home.
I don't want to analyze all of this -- but I want to emphasize that the guy who spoke to me was someone who quite genuinely believed in his country and in military service. He looked like the kind of guy who kept to himself and was clearly not used to articulating the kind of feelings and experiences he was sharing. He said he is just a very stable kind of guy, someone who doesn't react much to all the death he has seen -- though he feels for people. But he says that few of the soldiers he knows and with whom he works has the detachment from events and this horrible situations he generally has.
He said that in contrast to Vietnam where U.S. soldiers were killing other U.S. soldiers and officers whom they didn't like -- that is not happening in Afghanistan or Iraq. But he said people are getting depressed and disillusioned. They don't know what their objectives are -- and they see lots of dead children, dead innocent men and women, grieving families, whose early appreciation for Americans has given away to profound hate and resentment.
He said that if he were one of the Iraqi citizens experiencing what an occupying force was doing, he'd be fighting too. He said that the only way to win is to get out of there -- let the Iraqis resolve the issues they need to resolve internally. Give them money, give them resources, give them advice if asked -- but get the U.S. troops out.
Needless to say, my mind has had a hard time detaching from the grimness of this brave soldier's assessment.
-- Steve ClemonsPosted by steve at October 28, 2004 11:27 AM
October 28, 2004A SOLDIER'S STORY: "VOTING FOR BUSH WON'T HELP US"
I JUST SAT NEXT TO A VERY TOUGH SOLDIER FROM THE 82ND AIRBORNE on a flight back from Europe. I have been thinking for two days about how to share some of the things he told me without compromising him.
This guy I met is not one prone to talk; he was very serious, very mellow -- and comes from a family of enlisted military men. His dad was in Vietnam.
He has had one rotation in Afghanistan, one in Iraq. He is now in Germany but will soon be transferred back to Iraq. He was at Tora Bora and has seen a lot of Iraqi, Afghan, and American dead.
According to him, 75% of all soldiers want Bush defeated in the election and don't care who defeats him; anger and resentment are high. He says that 90% of the officers remain far out of harm's way. From lietenants all the way up, there is general understanding that the officers are hiding in holes, or holding back in well-defended buildings and quite cavalier about sending troops out for assignments and errands that are frequently stupid, poorly planned, and dangerous.
He has said that he has experienced good and bad commanders to whom he reported -- but that when it came to taking the anthrax vaccine (which a judge has just said that the military can no longer order its soldiers to take), he quietly refused. He told his commander that he just wouldn't take it -- and that many, many soldiers have avoided taking this anthrax vaccine without incident. He said that a friend of his took it and his nervous system was severely affected and is now permanently disabled. He said he would rather have "an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment) than be dead."
I asked him about Lariam, an anti-malarial drug which I have written about before. Lariam, also known as Mefloquine, can, according to drug warning labels cause aggression, psychosis and suicidal tendencies.
He told me that he had been issued seven tablets to take over a week -- and stopped after the second because of incredible negative physical reaction to the drug. He said that several people in his unit became deeply depressed, others very sick. And he said that most people in the military have had to become somewhat accustomed to the idea that the Pentagon looks at the soldiers as "guinea pigs" to test drugs on.
At Tora Bora, he reported on the massive bombing that went on there and said that during the clean up period, they used sensors to detect the remains of those killed and then would punch large poles down into the dirt with pricks that would suck blood up to test the DNA of the victim there on the spot. He said that it surprised the soldiers that they had DNA testing capabilities that were advanced enough to give readings immediately -- and said that they scoured everything that was bombed to try and find bin Laden.
At this time, I learned from one of the stewards on the flight that there was the coffin with a dead American soldier on the plane. The person to whom I was talking just reacted by saying, "everyone wants out -- everyone."
I asked him what he thought happened at Abu Ghraib and the handling of prisoners in general. He blamed both the people in the prison and their superiors. He says that everyone knows that the adrenaline rush and completely new experiences these young Americans are having lead to scary behaviors. He also stated that it is well known among the troops that al Qaeda takes (or keeps) no prisoners.
Early in the Afghanistan incursion, he said that he was on one of the last helicopters out of a very scary incident in which about ten U.S. soldiers were killed in a well-planned diversion and ambush by al Qaeda and the Taliban. He was at a fueling station between Kandahar and Shkin, very close to the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. A group began firing on U.S. soldiers at the fueling station, and some choppers and soldiers went after them. From behind, from the mountains on the Pakistani side, a massive number of al Qaeda and Taliban forces were streaming down behind the Americans -- and the soldier I was talking to could see this from the air in the chopper he was in.
Black Hawks were called in -- and the Taliban took out one or two -- but basically everyone just retreated. According to him at least ten soldiers surrendered to al Qaeda, and they were found later. One of the soldiers had had his penis castrated, and then this was stuffed in his mouth (sorry for the graphic detail, but it's important). The other soldiers were all shot in the head. Several others were "cut up," he said. To him, it was clear that they had been tortured.
He said that these experiences have been repeated in other encounters with al Qaeda -- and thus many of the soldiers who feel on the front lines of a war they don't understand and can't figure out -- have them so incredibly on edge that it's not surprising that they could come undone in a prisoner-holding situation. What he said though is that all of the officers know this to be the case and probably expected this kind of behavior from the soldiers and MPs.
He said that at night, when they are moving people or supplies, or making deliveries, they are scared -- and drive at 80 or 90 miles an hour with their lights off. He said lots of innocent people are killed by this night-driving and while the troops are supposed to report any damage or harm they do, almost none do -- no one wants to stop. This confirms an anecdote about the same kind of killer-driving that Seymour Hersh recently shared with me.
Interestingly, he said that all enlisted men or officers in command positions have orders not to talk about their war experiences with the junior and fresh troops. He refuses -- and tells those people under him everything he knows because he thinks it will help save their lives. When he went to Afghanistan at the beginning, basically nothing was told to them; he kept repeating "nothing." And he said that their basic training in North Carolina was 180 degrees opposite of what they really needed to know for this kind of combat.
He said morale is very low among the troops and that they all want out -- few believe in the war or Bush, and he thinks that many of these troops' negative feelings are being transmitted back to extended family networks that have traditionally been supporters of the Republican Party, like his own family.
He shared quite a bit more, including that his military commanders are planning for at minimum an eight year deployment in Iraq, maybe longer. He also shared an interesting anecdote that about a year ago, certain commanders in the 82nd Airborne had been told to prepare for a quick incursion into Cuba. I was stunned.
He said, "Yep, we couldn't believe that on top of everything else, Bush thought he could go take out Castro." The Navy Seals were going to go in and do the dirty work, he said, and the "82nd was going to go in for clean-up." He said that he never heard more about it but that the orders clearly didn't go forward -- but they were prepared for that possibility and told that "Bush just wanted to take out Castro."
Another thing he shared was that after this incident at Shkin, mentioned above, the Navy Seals were sent in to go find the al Qaeda and Taliban troops hiding in the Pakistan mountains. He said that they were all through those mountains in Pakistan and what he told me was probably classified. But they found nothing, packed their bags, and went home.
I don't want to analyze all of this -- but I want to emphasize that the guy who spoke to me was someone who quite genuinely believed in his country and in military service. He looked like the kind of guy who kept to himself and was clearly not used to articulating the kind of feelings and experiences he was sharing. He said he is just a very stable kind of guy, someone who doesn't react much to all the death he has seen -- though he feels for people. But he says that few of the soldiers he knows and with whom he works has the detachment from events and this horrible situations he generally has.
He said that in contrast to Vietnam where U.S. soldiers were killing other U.S. soldiers and officers whom they didn't like -- that is not happening in Afghanistan or Iraq. But he said people are getting depressed and disillusioned. They don't know what their objectives are -- and they see lots of dead children, dead innocent men and women, grieving families, whose early appreciation for Americans has given away to profound hate and resentment.
He said that if he were one of the Iraqi citizens experiencing what an occupying force was doing, he'd be fighting too. He said that the only way to win is to get out of there -- let the Iraqis resolve the issues they need to resolve internally. Give them money, give them resources, give them advice if asked -- but get the U.S. troops out.
Needless to say, my mind has had a hard time detaching from the grimness of this brave soldier's assessment.
-- Steve ClemonsPosted by steve at October 28, 2004 11:27 AM
# posted by scorpiorising : 3:33 PM |
Sunday, October 31, 2004
Liberty, mercy and "Motorcycle Diaries"
A letter to a friend:
Steven,
Steven, it would be very easy to demonize the "right". There are many directions we could all move in right now. I am still of the persuasion that, as the I Ching teaches, it is best to be forgiving and merciful with the followers of...evil, or ignorance...and punish the leaders. I am counting on their being some indictments after Kerry is in office. If not, and the neocon leaders get off scott-free, then there is the danger it will happen again.
I had a passionate discussion with a man who delivers pastries to the coffeeshop where I work in New Orleans. It was 6am, and he brought up the topic of politics...whew, I couldn't believe how my passions could bubble over so early in the morning like the hot coffee my co-worker was brewing. Long story short, he made fun of Kerry, I defended him. This man, I'll call him Kevin, stated he didn't believe he was capable of understanding the workings of our government, so implied he preferred having a president who was strong and decisive and knew what to do; basically, a man who never questioned himself or the decisions he has made. Funny, but this was the exact same argument made by a friend of mine at a time when this friend was still supporting Bush.
I asked Kevin how he felt about his president lying to him about the decisions to go to war. He rationalized...I suggested that by forfeiting his own participation in this democracy, he had participated in the creation of a dangerous situation in which fanatics had got control of our country. Kevin suggested we must confront and defeat those who express a sentiment against our country. I told him I wanted no part of his war...he was startled at my statement. "My war?" he said. "If you wish war upon those who express a sentiment against us, " I said, "I want no part of it".
The last thing he said to me was, "I'm going to support my president."
Well, I saw him again this morning, exactly one week later, and I do believe he thought about the things I said. "I don't really think much of him, of Bush," he said. He voted early, and he voted for Bush, but now he was beginning to allow some real feeling to come through.
He expressed a lack of confidence in his ability to understand political essays and writings. He also expressed confusion about the vast number of opinions, and why people believe and say the things they say. I encouraged him to explore...a wide variety of views. Kevin actually expressed a good deal of insight while we talked, and I pointed out that he knows more than he realizes. I encouraged him to read, and I specifically recommended Howard Zinn, because Zinn has written much on the history of the working class in this country. "Oh", he said, " you mean like the riots in New York between the Irish gangs?" This is not a stupid man, but this is a man, like many, who have little belief in their own powers of comprehension and understanding, and this is exactly the type of man that a fellow like George Bush preys upon.
I feel as though I have made a new friend, and I am going to encourage my friend to express his views and explore his own beliefs and thoughts.
There are those who reach for power because of greed and fear and a desire to control. And there are those who follow those in power out of a need to belong and feel secure. I advocate that we learn to practice and believe in the basic tenets of this country, that, in my opinion, have yet to be fullfilled:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Were there ever more beautiful words spoken, Steven, in the history of the formation of governments? Certainly, using one's imagination, one can feel a divine inspiration in those words, and religion is never mentioned in that text.
May I also point out, Steven, that our founding fathers said, "All men are created equal", not all American men, or all European men, or all men in that new world. America was meant to be the great wishing well for the dreams of the entire world. Too often, she has become the world's nightmare, because her themes have been usurped over and over again by those who would and are profiting from war and misery.
As I suggested before, stay vigilant. If Kerry is elected to represent us, then we must hold him accountable for his actions and decisions. He is a man. Right now many have idealized him, because the last four years have been so very painful. Kerry is a reasonable and intelligent man, but I do not believe all of his decisions will necessarily be reasonable. We must challenge him, and challenge ourselves, to apply the tenets of this democracy to humanity, to everyone we encounter.
May I suggest, as an antidote to politics right now, and if you are looking for a way to escape and relax, to see the film "Motorcycle Diaries", a film about a young Che Guevara and his travels with a friend through South America on an old, leaky motorcycle. It is one of the most beautiful and moving films I have seen in some time. You may, or may not, agree with the outcome of Che Guevara's life, but I believe this film beautifully captures Guevara's love of humanity.
It is this love that I believe we are all capable of tapping into, and expressing. In fact, it is self-expression, and art that seems to be the antithesis to our present administration, and the antithesis of war. I find myself continually seeking and finding art that moves me to create in my own life. Art, the act of creation, is the antidote...
Peace,
scorpiorising
From Steven (the above letter is my reply):
ScorpioRising: You are correct but I've never seen the actual
numbers [of Iraqi civilians killed in the war, which is upwards of 100,000 and counting] any where and you know those conservative,
they will be in denial. It's for their own good! I
knew it was much higher but didn't have any supportive
facts. By the way, speaking of support, what does
"Support Our Troops" mean. I have real trouble with
that statement. I really don't know what is being
said? Is that like support our troops and the war. If
you don't support the war, you don't support the
troops? Does this have something to do with Bush,
support our troops and G. W. Bush? I've heard this
thing about support our troops who are defending your
freedom! There's some connection between the war and
our troops and I can't figure it out. If I don't
support the war does this mean I don't support our
troops? Strange, I was talking with a friend(?) who
happens to be republican and he said some very strange
things to me. Like why do you and all the other
liberals hate this country. You know I didn't know I
hated this country until he pointed it out. Scorpiorising, I'm
getting a little tired of being demonized by the
right. I think it's time we take some action like was
done to the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore and so many
more. I think it's about time we start boycotting
businesses like Wal Mart and taking other action. We
need to show ablolute support for those on the left.
The other day Bush was in town and right behind him
was Mike Tice the coach of the Vikings. Who did I see
at the republican nationa convension, Lynn Swan. In my
opinion, it's time we do as they do and demonized the
right and let it be known we don't care for their
actions either. What do you think?
Steven
Steven,
Steven, it would be very easy to demonize the "right". There are many directions we could all move in right now. I am still of the persuasion that, as the I Ching teaches, it is best to be forgiving and merciful with the followers of...evil, or ignorance...and punish the leaders. I am counting on their being some indictments after Kerry is in office. If not, and the neocon leaders get off scott-free, then there is the danger it will happen again.
I had a passionate discussion with a man who delivers pastries to the coffeeshop where I work in New Orleans. It was 6am, and he brought up the topic of politics...whew, I couldn't believe how my passions could bubble over so early in the morning like the hot coffee my co-worker was brewing. Long story short, he made fun of Kerry, I defended him. This man, I'll call him Kevin, stated he didn't believe he was capable of understanding the workings of our government, so implied he preferred having a president who was strong and decisive and knew what to do; basically, a man who never questioned himself or the decisions he has made. Funny, but this was the exact same argument made by a friend of mine at a time when this friend was still supporting Bush.
I asked Kevin how he felt about his president lying to him about the decisions to go to war. He rationalized...I suggested that by forfeiting his own participation in this democracy, he had participated in the creation of a dangerous situation in which fanatics had got control of our country. Kevin suggested we must confront and defeat those who express a sentiment against our country. I told him I wanted no part of his war...he was startled at my statement. "My war?" he said. "If you wish war upon those who express a sentiment against us, " I said, "I want no part of it".
The last thing he said to me was, "I'm going to support my president."
Well, I saw him again this morning, exactly one week later, and I do believe he thought about the things I said. "I don't really think much of him, of Bush," he said. He voted early, and he voted for Bush, but now he was beginning to allow some real feeling to come through.
He expressed a lack of confidence in his ability to understand political essays and writings. He also expressed confusion about the vast number of opinions, and why people believe and say the things they say. I encouraged him to explore...a wide variety of views. Kevin actually expressed a good deal of insight while we talked, and I pointed out that he knows more than he realizes. I encouraged him to read, and I specifically recommended Howard Zinn, because Zinn has written much on the history of the working class in this country. "Oh", he said, " you mean like the riots in New York between the Irish gangs?" This is not a stupid man, but this is a man, like many, who have little belief in their own powers of comprehension and understanding, and this is exactly the type of man that a fellow like George Bush preys upon.
I feel as though I have made a new friend, and I am going to encourage my friend to express his views and explore his own beliefs and thoughts.
There are those who reach for power because of greed and fear and a desire to control. And there are those who follow those in power out of a need to belong and feel secure. I advocate that we learn to practice and believe in the basic tenets of this country, that, in my opinion, have yet to be fullfilled:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Were there ever more beautiful words spoken, Steven, in the history of the formation of governments? Certainly, using one's imagination, one can feel a divine inspiration in those words, and religion is never mentioned in that text.
May I also point out, Steven, that our founding fathers said, "All men are created equal", not all American men, or all European men, or all men in that new world. America was meant to be the great wishing well for the dreams of the entire world. Too often, she has become the world's nightmare, because her themes have been usurped over and over again by those who would and are profiting from war and misery.
As I suggested before, stay vigilant. If Kerry is elected to represent us, then we must hold him accountable for his actions and decisions. He is a man. Right now many have idealized him, because the last four years have been so very painful. Kerry is a reasonable and intelligent man, but I do not believe all of his decisions will necessarily be reasonable. We must challenge him, and challenge ourselves, to apply the tenets of this democracy to humanity, to everyone we encounter.
May I suggest, as an antidote to politics right now, and if you are looking for a way to escape and relax, to see the film "Motorcycle Diaries", a film about a young Che Guevara and his travels with a friend through South America on an old, leaky motorcycle. It is one of the most beautiful and moving films I have seen in some time. You may, or may not, agree with the outcome of Che Guevara's life, but I believe this film beautifully captures Guevara's love of humanity.
It is this love that I believe we are all capable of tapping into, and expressing. In fact, it is self-expression, and art that seems to be the antithesis to our present administration, and the antithesis of war. I find myself continually seeking and finding art that moves me to create in my own life. Art, the act of creation, is the antidote...
Peace,
scorpiorising
From Steven (the above letter is my reply):
ScorpioRising: You are correct but I've never seen the actual
numbers [of Iraqi civilians killed in the war, which is upwards of 100,000 and counting] any where and you know those conservative,
they will be in denial. It's for their own good! I
knew it was much higher but didn't have any supportive
facts. By the way, speaking of support, what does
"Support Our Troops" mean. I have real trouble with
that statement. I really don't know what is being
said? Is that like support our troops and the war. If
you don't support the war, you don't support the
troops? Does this have something to do with Bush,
support our troops and G. W. Bush? I've heard this
thing about support our troops who are defending your
freedom! There's some connection between the war and
our troops and I can't figure it out. If I don't
support the war does this mean I don't support our
troops? Strange, I was talking with a friend(?) who
happens to be republican and he said some very strange
things to me. Like why do you and all the other
liberals hate this country. You know I didn't know I
hated this country until he pointed it out. Scorpiorising, I'm
getting a little tired of being demonized by the
right. I think it's time we take some action like was
done to the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore and so many
more. I think it's about time we start boycotting
businesses like Wal Mart and taking other action. We
need to show ablolute support for those on the left.
The other day Bush was in town and right behind him
was Mike Tice the coach of the Vikings. Who did I see
at the republican nationa convension, Lynn Swan. In my
opinion, it's time we do as they do and demonized the
right and let it be known we don't care for their
actions either. What do you think?
Steven
# posted by scorpiorising : 6:04 PM |
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